Episode 24

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17th Sep 2026

Data Debrief: We get Political

In this week's Data Debrief, Catherine Dowden-King and Kyle Winterbottom are recording a day early ahead of a busy stretch in London – a custom client event, the Future of Data, AI & BI Summit and Big Data London, with Driven by Data Live on 8th October. The headlines this week belong to Donald Trump, who has dismissed AI safeguards and calls for a "kill switch" as a hoax, which sets up the episode's central question: what happens when the people with the power to sign off on AI – presidents or CEOs – sit well above the technical detail and the risk?

Catherine and Kyle draw the parallel between geopolitical "space race" thinking and the boardroom instinct to move first and mop it up later, before turning to the vetting questions every data leader should be asking of vendors and LLM providers: what are their values, why are they in the market, and what's in it for them? They then debrief Tuesday's episode with David Castro-Gavino and Boyan Angelov – merchants of complexity, friction versus maturity models, and a CDO role that is hired without an objective – and Kyle's thought of the week on the environmental cost of AI that nobody in the industry seems to be talking about.

They also discuss:

  • Why one of the world's most powerful people calling AI safeguards a hoax is a bigger statement than it sounds.
  • Why the AI race is being driven by the fear of China catching up, and how that agenda filters into business.
  • Why "just do it, we'll mop it up later" is the same decision whether it's made in the White House or the boardroom.
  • Why the spectrum between doomsday and handbrake-on leaves everyone struggling to know who to trust.
  • What questions to ask of any vendor or LLM provider before plugging them into your business.
  • What the Careless People revelations about targeting insecure teenagers tell us about tech companies' incentives.
  • Why tech companies handling health and genetic data aren't regulated like health companies.
  • Why "just because you could doesn't mean you should" is the age-old debate, and why nobody boycotts anyway.
  • How a tight-knit CDO community quietly blacklists vendors with poor ethics.
  • Why the vendor community has to own the fact that every pitch deck now sounds the same.
  • Why executives can be forgiven for not understanding the weeds of "AI-powered" everything.
  • How the event agenda has flipped from getting executives to care about data to reining them in.
  • Why data leaders have to learn to sell, and why selling is really just communication.
  • Why influence at ExCo level comes down to trust, credibility and relationships.
  • Why "merchants of complexity" and self-inflicted complexity resonated so strongly with listeners.
  • Why friction isn't uniform, and why "the whole thing's a mess" is rarely true for every department.
  • Why maturity models are theatre, and diagnosing friction through each role's lens is the practical alternative.
  • Why frameworks can contain thinking, and why data people run to structure when they might need creativity.
  • Why the CDO must be the only senior role in business hired without an objective, and what a 90-day plan is really for.
  • Why nobody in the AI adoption conversation is asking whether we need to be using it at all.
  • What 700ml of water per ChatGPT prompt says about the environmental cost of replacing Google.
  • Why nothing in data is sociologically neutral, and why people only care about data centres once the bulldozers arrive.
  • What the new Driven by Data Productions brand means for the community, the podcast, the events and the magazine.
  • How to get 20% off Enabling Data with the code DRIVEN20.
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Each episode will detail the guests journey to the top while bringing unique insights, drawn from first-hand experience on the industry’s most trending topics.

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Kyle Winterbottom

Founder of Orbition Group, a Search and Talent Solutions business that operates exclusively within the world of Data, Analytics & AI.

I am hugely passionate about enabling organisations to drive decisions and obtain value from the use of Data, Analytics & Artificial Intelligence.

As such, I believe it is imperative that as a community, we share; knowledge, ideas, real-life use cases and inspiration to collectively give back to our industry.

Given my fortunate position of speaking with hundreds, if not thousands of leadership figures within the global Data & Analytics community each year , I feel it is my duty to share the successes, failures, challenges and opportunities.

Therefore, I have positioned Orbition Group to be a facilitator of that knowledge sharing, through these podcasts, events we host and public speaking.