Episode 27

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Published on:

8th Oct 2026

Data Debrief: ASOS Breach, AI Index & Driven by Data LIVE

In this episode of the Data Debrief, Catherine Dowden-King and Kyle Winterbottom reflect on the week's news and the latest Driven by Data: The Podcast interview, with Tom Sadler of HP. Their central question is whether organisations are measuring AI activity (headcount, spend, job titles, tooling) instead of the productivity and financial outcomes that matter.

They begin with the ASOS breach and the questions it raises about vendor risk. They then work through the latest Evident AI Index and what it rewards, before turning to Tom's candid views on hardware, cost and culture.

They also discuss:

  • Why the ASOS ransom note, delivered through the company's own app, marks a new and uncomfortable form of attack.
  • How data leaders should work in lockstep with the CISO, or with the CIO where there is no CISO, as vendor ecosystems grow.
  • Why the full story of a breach like this can take months to emerge, and why speculation helps no one.
  • Why only 12% of reported AI use cases in the Evident AI Index demonstrate operational impact, and just 1% report financial impact.
  • How the index's weightings (45% talent, 30% innovation, 10% transparency) shape what it rewards.
  • Why organisations with the strongest financial returns from AI may not appear on the index at all.
  • What the "too early to judge" argument gets right, and why 1,100 use cases over five years still demands better measurement.
  • Why leaders chasing a higher ranking risk spending more money for the same 1% return.
  • How adding "AI" to a job title, without mandate or budget, repeats the chief data officer pattern.
  • Why the market is starting to reward titles over delivery when it hires.
  • Why Tom Sadler argues hardware should be the last thing you think about in an AI strategy.
  • How local compute can cut experimentation costs compared with spiralling cloud token costs.
  • What running AI locally means for environmental impact.
  • Why the CDO and CIO sometimes have never met, and how that drives sprawling costs and shadow AI.
  • How a confined local "sandbox" lets teams experiment safely, with successful ideas scaled across the business.
  • Why culture, not tooling, decides whether you can spot what has worked, and why a use case that cuts five hours of work to 30 minutes needs a place to be shared.
  • What it takes to build the honesty to review mistakes regularly and correct them.
  • Why a chief financial officer's advice to start running in your old trainers applies to AI spend.
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About the Podcast

Driven by Data: The Podcast
Designed for Data Enthusiasts to hear from the Data & Analytics industry's thought leaders
Orbition Group is delighted to bring you this podcast series, which is designed for Data Enthusiasts, to hear from some of the most high-profile Data, Analytics and AI thought leaders from around the globe.

Each episode will detail the guests journey to the top while bringing unique insights, drawn from first-hand experience on the industry’s most trending topics.

This podcast was created as a way for our industry's most respected leadership figures from across the world to give back to the Data & Analytics community, by sharing; knowledge, experiences and ideas, to inspire, innovate and provide real-life use cases on the industries most pressing topics/challenges.

About your host

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Kyle Winterbottom

Founder of Orbition Group, a Search and Talent Solutions business that operates exclusively within the world of Data, Analytics & AI.

I am hugely passionate about enabling organisations to drive decisions and obtain value from the use of Data, Analytics & Artificial Intelligence.

As such, I believe it is imperative that as a community, we share; knowledge, ideas, real-life use cases and inspiration to collectively give back to our industry.

Given my fortunate position of speaking with hundreds, if not thousands of leadership figures within the global Data & Analytics community each year , I feel it is my duty to share the successes, failures, challenges and opportunities.

Therefore, I have positioned Orbition Group to be a facilitator of that knowledge sharing, through these podcasts, events we host and public speaking.