Episode 7

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Published on:

21st May 2026

Data Brief: Stop asking permission, and claim your lane (and the whole pool whilst you're at it)

Welcome to another episode of the Data Debrief, the companion show to Driven by Data: The Podcast, where hosts Catherine Dowden-King and Kyle Winterbottom unpack Tuesday's episode, share what's been on their minds, and explore the realities of leadership, culture, and capability across the data and AI landscape.

This week, Catherine and Kyle reflect on the conversation with Edward Chenard, diving deeper into what it actually takes to step outside your lane as a data leader, make yourself redundancy-proof, and shift the conversation from technical delivery to commercial impact.

They cover:

  • Why Edward's unattached, portfolio career status meant the episode landed differently, and why the growing constraints around PR and corporate communications are making truly candid guest conversations increasingly rare on podcasts
  • How the fractional and advisory model is reshaping what value creation looks like in data leadership, and why organisations often get more commercial clarity from a contracted external than a full-time hire
  • Why delivering exactly what the job spec asks of you is, in reality, a risky career strategy for any enterprise data leader or CDO
  • The mindset behind becoming redundancy-proof, and why Edward's firsthand experience of layoffs shaped his willingness to step outside his mandate rather than stay safely within it
  • The "ask forgiveness rather than permission" approach to data leadership, and why professional arrogance, done with nuance, is often what separates those who reshape mandates from those who get trapped by them
  • Why "talk numbers, not tech" should be on a post-it note in every data leader's office, and how reading the room determines whether your message lands or loses the room entirely
  • The importance of knowing when to geek out with peers at industry events versus when to translate everything into conversion rates, revenue targets, and business outcomes at the board level
  • How skill and will both play a role in whether data leaders break out of their comfort zones — and why going back to what feels familiar is the enemy of executive credibility
  • Why sitting at "the children's table" is a mindset problem as much as a structural one, and what it actually takes to earn a seat in the room where the real decisions are made
  • The growing challenge of getting guests to speak candidly on record as geopolitics and economic uncertainty push businesses toward risk aversion and comms-approved messaging

Kyle's thought of the week: why perfect conditions don't exist — and why waiting for the mandate to fix itself, the business to catch up, or the industry to finally get it right is a strategy that history has already proven doesn't work. The leaders who succeed are the ones who go and create the conditions themselves.

Catherine's thought of the week: what happened when Orbition ran a NED webinar that LinkedIn declared a dead format — 67 senior leaders from across the UK, US, and Europe later, and the lesson is clear: don't let someone else's data point on what doesn't work override what your own experience and evidence tells you is worth trying.

This episode is a practical, honest unpacking of what it means to go beyond the mandate, not by working harder or taking on more, but by having different conversations, building broader context, and being willing to step into rooms that weren't originally part of the brief.

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About the Podcast

Driven by Data: The Podcast
Designed for Data Enthusiasts to hear from the Data & Analytics industry's thought leaders
Orbition Group is delighted to bring you this podcast series, which is designed for Data Enthusiasts, to hear from some of the most high-profile Data, Analytics and AI thought leaders from around the globe.

Each episode will detail the guests journey to the top while bringing unique insights, drawn from first-hand experience on the industry’s most trending topics.

This podcast was created as a way for our industry's most respected leadership figures from across the world to give back to the Data & Analytics community, by sharing; knowledge, experiences and ideas, to inspire, innovate and provide real-life use cases on the industries most pressing topics/challenges.

About your host

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Kyle Winterbottom

Founder of Orbition Group, a Search and Talent Solutions business that operates exclusively within the world of Data, Analytics & AI.

I am hugely passionate about enabling organisations to drive decisions and obtain value from the use of Data, Analytics & Artificial Intelligence.

As such, I believe it is imperative that as a community, we share; knowledge, ideas, real-life use cases and inspiration to collectively give back to our industry.

Given my fortunate position of speaking with hundreds, if not thousands of leadership figures within the global Data & Analytics community each year , I feel it is my duty to share the successes, failures, challenges and opportunities.

Therefore, I have positioned Orbition Group to be a facilitator of that knowledge sharing, through these podcasts, events we host and public speaking.